that. they're never allowed out of their cages themselves don't get socialization, no medical care. they're living in a canine super max prison for their entire lives so people can buy dogs or cats or pets like a pair of shoes and throw them out and they end up in a shelter. not only that but these pet stores are selling them intact. so they are being sold and breeding more. >> we have to wrap it up. carol, congratulations. i know you worked on this for many years. let's spread it to the rest of the country. nancy next. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com 8:30 a.m., 10-year-old jessica walked three blocks out to school. mommy watches as she walks away. jessica never seen again. then the awful discovery.

the girl's dismembered body found just a few miles from home. in the last 48 hours, a 17-year-old college student, a crime scene tech wannabe who dreamed of being a mortician emerges as the prime suspect in the 10-year-old's murder. bombshell tonight. in the last hours, murder suspect austin sigg in court, staring down jessica's family. tonight, we learn details inside the mind of the killer. >> austin sigg is in our custody of this alleged murderer. >> austin sigg appeared in a colorado courtroom today. >> officially charged by next tuesday. >> watched the proceedings today. sigg's mother and jessica ridgeway's mom and other family

members. >> i said burn him. i meant literally light him on fire. send him to hell in a blaze of glory. >> investigators found a wooden cross at the scene. >> overwhelming evidence. did we hear correctly saying there is dna matching? >> i can't talk about that. >> they set up sheeting to cover the view where they were bringing out evidence. >> he often wore black pants, chains and zippers all over them. he was goth. >> just from the way he acted, the way he dressed. >> he wanted to find some way to hang out with us. it was kind of creep us out. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. in the last hours, murder suspect austin sigg in court staring down jessica ridgeway's family. tonight, we learn details, disturbing details from inside the mind of an alleged killer. this as we learn at 15, he is treated for a severe pornography

addiction. and that is just the tip of the iceberg. first of all, straight out to rita cosby, investigative journalist. what are we learning in the last hours? >> he was in court. it is his first experience. he will have another appearance on tuesday where he'll be formally charged. this was a juvenile court, remember, he is still technically listed as a juvenile. prosecutors hope to change that. he showed up. he was wearing a green jump suit. a light green jump suit. >> rita, stop, look. look at the video of him in, wearing the cross. >> yep. >> is that the cross found at the scene of the dismember body of 10-year-old jessica? go ahead, rita. >> that's what they believe it is. in fact the other details that came out today, that cross, i thought about that right away. now a number of friends including his ex-girlfriend, and a lot of people say he would wear a cross just like that.

authorities also say they have overwhelming dna evidence in addition to his confession linking him to this gruesome crime. >> dna evidence, of course, that's what we need in this case. another thing that you said really struck me. his girlfriend. what is that all about? >> yeah. he had a girlfriend. the girlfriend said that he was normal and nice but she also is now coming forward with what i think is really interesting information. she said that she saw him recently. he was in a park. remember, all these incidents took place near a park or in a park. the jogger at a park, they believe jessica near the park when she was walking to school. she said she was by and she saw him stare at her in a very strange way. he was with two friends. what is significant about that is other people have said that, too. now we're hearing from all these people in the neighborhood who have said he was a weird man. would stare at them very strangely and were very creeped out by him to the point where one girl told her mother when she saw him walking by. this was after jessica's

disappearance. before his arrest. said that's the guy i believe took jessica. he always looks at me in a very strange way. >> so already, people from just knowing him said i think that's the guy that took jessica. with me right now, and taking your calls is a very special guest joining us tonight. jacqueline miller, sigg's classmate at arapahoe community college. and also with us, donna moss. jessica ridgeway's great grandmother. i want to go first to the great grandmother of little jessica, miss moss, miss moss, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> miss moss, i saw where you stated to the effect that it is very, very hard for you to consider forgiving him. and i have to tell you something, miss moss, i don't want to incite a riot but i have two children that are about to turn 5 years old. if somebody touched a hair on

their head, i would find a way to rip their throat out. i would like to know your reaction to him being in court today. >> i'm relieved and i'm very grateful that he was captured. it is no less than a miracle to get him there. the westminster police department and the fbi have been working 24 hours a day, seven days a week and i really appreciate them. i'm grateful to god that they caught him before he victimizes someone else and i'm sure he would have. >> miss moss, i understand that in court today, in the last hours, sigg in court, that he turned around and blatantly stared at jessica's family.

why? >> i couldn't understand why he would do something like that. i wasn't there. if i had been there, i couldn't understand why he would do that other than to hope that he might intimidate them in some way. >> i don't think that is going to work. nobody is going to stop until they have justice for jessica. if you can tell me, how is jessica's mother doing? >> i talked to her the night before last. and she is really amazing. she is a strong lady. she's incredibly strong. but of course, it is very hard and difficult for everyone involved. the whole family to tolerate the constant thought of this man being out there. it was high, high, high

pressure. i was in colorado for a week and people there were beautiful and wonderful but, oh, it was very difficult. >> what is your reaction now that you are learning some of the things that this young man has said? let me go to matt. we're going really inside the mind of an alleged killer. and i guess it is easy for someone to kill a 10-year-old little school girl. the little girl that he picked on this time. but his words that we are learning were attributed to sigg, a 17-year-old college student, are chilling, chilling. what do we know, matt? >> yes. it was reported a six-hour interview with the suspect according to kddr. he allegedly confessed that he quote, claimed the murder did not bring him the joy that he thought it would so he took the

crime further. now we know there are reports that he did dismember jessica ridgeway so maybe he's referring to taking the crime further as dismembering her. >> matt zarrell, we learn so much about what he said. that he was fascinated with the serial killer, ted bundy. that he had to go into treatment for a pornography addiction at age 15. and some of the words he said about not caring, how he didn't care about others, what are the words that are now being attributed to him? >> well, nancy, i know there is one classmate who did an anti-social personality disorder paper while she was in class with sigg. and part of the paper involved a serial killer ted bundy as a case study. during this, the classmate explained how bundy had no empathy for his victims and

during this time, sigg was chuckling to himself out of this report. >> what more do we know about this alleged pornography addiction? >> well, nancy, there are reports that he was addicted to pornography and needed treatment at the age of 15. now, the reason i think this is something also is that we know that there was another jogger incident in 2010 that they're working on connecting to the jogger attack we know of in may. if they are connected and he is a suspect in both, that would make him 15 years old for the first jogger attack. >> we are taking your calls. out to laura in ohio. hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: hi. i basically got more of a comment. this story makes me sick to my stomach. i have a 19-year-old daughter, a 9-year-old daughter and two grand daughters. i just think that this boy being 17, i think is premeditated and

i think that he should be, sent to prison for life. these judges, it really gets me upset that because they commit a horrendous crime like this and then boom, they're out in like three to five years. this was horrible. that baby girl is gone and it just makes me sick to my stomach. and i mean, i read about this every day. i watch you every night. i've seen it on your facebook page and all the time you hear this every day. but everything is getting really lax with, you know, like their sentences. >> well, right now, we are waiting to find out, lauren, in ohio, whether he will be treated as an adult. to nia bender, manager, ttn denver. what do we know about the

transfer position of taking him out of juvenile court where he is allowed to play soccer and frisbee and go to the library and get on the internet and watch tv. is he going to be transferred into adult court? >> they are talking about transferring him to a county jail. as to when that will happen, right now we don't know. but yes, they are talking about moving him to a county jail. >> when you hear all of this talk, out to donna moss. this is jessica's great grandmother. how does it strike you that he is in a juvenile facility where he is allowed to play frisbee, play soccer, go to the library, have visitors, watch tv. what is your response? >> my response is this. jessica won't ever have a chance to do those things again. and i'm really, really angry

that he is given the privilege of doing anything other than sitting in a cell. i hope he sits in a cell for the rest of his lifetime and rots. because i understand that in colorado, even if he is bound over as an adult that he can only be given life sentence without parole. meaning he would do a maximum of 40 years, meaning he would get out in at least, by the time he is 57 and i want that man to never walk one more day in the company of humans. he is not a human. he is an animal. and i don't want him to be in a juvenile facility where he can rub himself and grime up on other kids that happen to be there order might victimize while he's there. for their clie. helping millions of americans retire on their terms.

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. austin sigg appeared in a colorado courtroom -- >> charge him as an adult. >> yes. >> sick what happened to jessica. >> i was extremely shocked. i could never, ever imagine him doing something like this. >> all the circumstances that we anticipate charging as an adult. >> i don't know. he is just different. >> he was just kind of kept to himself. he doesn't really talk much. >> a teenager who police say told his mom that he killed 10-year-old jessica ridgeway. >> yanlds how it would have to feel to be the mother of a monster like him. >> if programs he is convicted of a class 1 felony, he could

face sentencing of life. >> we are live tonight in westminster, colorado, trying to make sense of the murder and dismemberment of a 10-year-old little school girl. and behind bars tonight in a juvenile hall is a 17-year-old college student. a student that we know had dreams of being a mortician. that's the tip of the iceberg. we are learning that he had a pornography addiction so severe he had to have treatment at just age 15. that he kept a collection of animals that he would kill and commit various acts on their bodies. this is a classic, textbook example of a killer, if not a serial killer.

we are taking your call. out to you. rita cosby, what more are we learning about sigg? >> well, when you talk about skinning rats, apparently some of this he was testing in school. remember, he was in these mortician classes. but people are saying he was fascinated with death. testing how living beings would be affected by decomposition, dirt on them. also this knife collection that you talk about, nancy, too. he had switch blades. he even played knife games with friends and was fascinated by dark clothing, this dark behavior. the other thing i want to point out, this pornography that you talk about at the age 15. we were about this the other day. remember, he dropped out of high school and also, vocational school around that time. we don't know why. was he push out? was there some crime? we don't know. he is a juvenile. there may be something tied to this pornography at that same time. >> joining me right now is jacqueline miller. this is sigg's classmate at

arapahoe community college. thank you for being with us, miss miller. >> thank you for having me. >> jacqueline, how did you know sigg and what was he like in class? particularly when you did a paper on ted bundy. >> i can tell you that i didn't speak to him like outor before class. we only spoke in class discussion. last week we were discussing our papers and i wrote mine about anti-social personality disorder and i used ted bundy to help define what this kind of character is. and he was extremely intrigued by it. his eyes were nailed to me. hindsight, 20/20, it's kind of scary. >> isn't it true that during certain of the comments you recite that ted bundy had made, sigg would sit back and chuckle? >> he did. because when in, i wrote about

anti-social, i said and i used ted bundy to help define. he did chuckle. and i did at first i thought he was maybe making fun of me playfully because he engaged the class and he was highly intelligent. he was very charming. but things are starting to turn around because of business people like you. and regions is here to help. with the experience and service to keep things rolling. from business loans to cash management, we want to be your partner moving forward. so switch to regions. and let's get going. together.

welcome back. in the last hours, in court, the

alleged killer of a 10-year-old little school girl, jessica, jessica ridgeway on her way to school. she only had to walk three blocks. never made it. according to police, she encountered a local college student. this man. austin reed sigg. look at the cross he's wearing. it is of special significance. as a similar cross was found at one of the crime scenes. we are taking your calls. as we're going to air we're learning more and more and more about sigg, about his past, about what happened in court today. i understand nia bender, that he formally with drew his waiver of rights to speak to police. in other words, he isn't going to be speaking to authorities any more, even if it is about finding the rest of this little girl's body. body parts. >> you know, there is mixed,

there are mixed reports on that, nancy. because i had heard that he had withdrawn it. at the same time the police are telling everybody that he has been incredibly cooperative with them. >> well, unleash the lawyers. kelly, rene rockwell, kirby, what that means is, he may have been cooperative up until now. but now the public defender is involved and they with drew. they rejoked their waiver of rights. that means we're not talking anymore. that happened today in court. >> a little bit too late, would not you say, nancy? >> i disagree with you. if he had never spoken to police, we would never have been able to put this little girl's body back together again. so i don't know what you're talking about. >> that's not what the defense attorneys are for. ussin® liquida soothes your throat on contact and the active ingredient relieves your cough. robitussin®. don't suffer the coughequences™.

austin sigg is in our custody. >> this alleged murderer. austin sigg. >> austin sigg appeared in a colorado courtroom today. >> officially charged by next tuesday. ? are you going to charge him as an adult? >> watch the proceedings today, sigg's mother and jessica ridgeway's mom and other family members. >> i said burn him. i meant literally set him on fire. >> investigators found a wooden cross at the scene. >> overwhelming evidence. did we hear it correctly saying they're dna matching the suspect? >> i can't talk about that. >> they set up sheeting to cover the view where they were bringing out evidence. >> he often wore black pants, chains and zippers all over them. >> he was goth. >> just from the way he acted

and the way he dressed. sne wanted to find some way to be able to hang out with us. it would creep us out. >> we are live in westminster, colorado. there you see the home of sigg where he lived with his mother and little brother. 17-year-old college student, studying mortuary science. a csi crime scene investigative sleuth. we're learning more and more about who sigg is. out to special guest joining us tonight in addition to jessica's great grandmother. jacqueline miller. this is sigg's classmate at arapahoe communicate college. jacqueline, you said that he was actually charming. what do you mean by that? >> i mean like he was so intelligent. when we discussed things in class, the teacher gave an opportunity to talk about things in more depth. when he did, we all closed our

books. we had our pencils down because we were so intrigued. he was fascinating. >> what would he talk about? >> i'm sorry? >> what would he talk about that was so intriguing? >> specifically, i cannot recall. like for example, we talk a lot about the brain and we talk about how things worked. and he had just this knowledge about it that when he talk about it, we were just stopped and intrigued by what he was saying. he was very, very smart and he was very charming and engaging. >> what was your reaction when you learned he had been taken into custody in the murder and the dismemberment of a 10-year-old school girl? >> as a classmate and as a mother of a 10-year-old daughter, i was mortified. i was surprised. i think yesterday i was still processing, still today processing the whole thing.

it's very scary to think that anywhere in the world he was sitting beside me in my classroom. >> what was -- >> psychology. >> psychology. do you recall ever seeing him wearing that, it looked like a hand carved cross necklace? >> yes. he wore that necklace to class every day. >> i'm thinking about the cross that was found at the crime scene where jessica was dismembered and his reaction to you in particular and your paper on ted bundy, one of the most prolific serial killers of our times. what if anything did he say about bundy? >> it was when i was talking about how, you know, ted bundy didn't have any empathy.

that he went to the grave withholding things so that he could be the last one with the -- he knew exactly what he was doing. anti-social personality disorder to the core, they have no empathy to others. it is about self-gratification, mainly possession. possession of one's soul. >> it's interesting. >> he studied mortuary science. he was, he was really intrigued by things that are not normal. >> we are learning so much including matt zarrell, what can you tell me about these animals that he kept their corpses? >> well, according to classmates, sigg had done a study how bodies decompose and he used these skinned rats and placed them in several different environments including freezing temperatures, covered them in dirt and left them out in the

open. in fact, the reports that are he took second place at the school science fair for this project. >> unleash the lawyers. kelly is joining us, chicago. rene rockwell, defense attorney, kirby clemmons, defense attorney, atlanta. kirby, he skinned rats, he tortured them and kept their bodies. a textbook example of a killer most likely a serial killer. >> you know, nancy, i can't disagree with you on that point. i will say if he in fact skinned the rats and tortured them, that is textbook serial killer stuff. but there is no evidence that he actually tortured the rats. i don't think anyone witnessed that so i don't want to aremember the you'd torturing at this point. >> i'm going to give you that one. i'm going to let the fact that he skinned the rats and keep their corpses speak for itself.

>> the jury won't hear about that, will they? >> no. they might hear about the project and they might hear that he was fascinated with decomposing bodies and he had a fascination with mortuary science but no, they won't hear about torturing animals, unfortunately. >> what i think that her family, jessica's family, had to endure being in court with him today. with us is jessica's great grandmother, donna moss. as you hear all of this unfold about him, what is your reaction? and is the district attorney prepared to try him as an adult? >> well, i think that he definitely needs to be tried as an adult. i mean, obviously this man is a very intelligent person, according to what they're saying. he is 17 years old which is by

only who knows how many days, an adult. and i just look at it and it is like, this man is doing things that is far, far, far beyond child play. i think that he needs to face the music that he has played. i look at the situation and i feel sorry for his mother. >> oh, yes, yes, yes. miss moss, we are hearing so much, we are hearing so much about sigg. i want to hear something redeeming. something wonderful. i want to hear about jessica. what was she like? >> she was beautiful and bright. a typical 10-year-old daughter, granddaughter and great granddaughter. her mother said she was always the happy one in the house. and i think that's probably true. i never saw her when she wasn't

happy. but i did not see her often enough. that's for sure. she liked monster high dolls and the typical things kids like. she was given the option on whether to walk to school with her classmates or to ride the bus. and she chose to walk to school. and had she chosen to ride the bus, maybe she would have been safer but maybe not. most people tend to think more about how they brush than what they brush with. until i show them this. the oral-b pro-health clinical brush. its pro-flex sides adjust to teeth and gums

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. we're back live in colorado. in the last hours, this man, austin reid sigg, a 17-year-old local college student at

arapahoe communicate college in court connected to the murder and dismemberment of a 10-year-old school girl. we are taking your calls. with me right now, the founder of the joyful child foundation. the mother of 5-year-old samantha runnion. samantha abducted and murdered. erin, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me, nancy. >> erin, i will never forget when samantha was abducted. and how you spokeout. what is your take on this scenario? >> it is just heart breaking. absolutely heart breaking. on october 5th when jessica was taken, my heart was ripped out. you just relive it every time. my heart just goes out to her family. they're being very, very strong throughout this.

>> are you surprised that the alleged perpetrator is just 17? >> i wish i were more surprised. statistically, sex offenders say that about 60% of them began their sort of power base sexual deviance as teenagers. we really shouldn't be that surprised. but you know, i wish that we knew what his juvenile record was because there is no doubt that something came before this. >> with me right now is pastor rick long. this is jessica's pastor, the founder of grace church. could you explain to me, pastor, how the community is reacting to this? >> well, nancy, first of all on behalf of the ridgeway family, i know they would want me to say thank you for tireless efforts from everyone. not only nationally but locally to bring justice for jessica and

that's what we all hope for. the community has gone through such a roller coaster of emotions, you know, just as a pastoring been here almost three decades. i can tell you that we've seen the whole gamut of emotions from everybody rallying around each other to look for jessica, to locate jessica. to the complete fear and distress that was caused when she was discovered in the horrifying manner in which she was. and now to a point where everyone is, and i'm saying this on behalf of the family trying to now again prepare the ridgeways with a lot more support from our community because they're going to have to relive this over and over as details continue to come out about austin and about all the things that have transpired. and i would just ask the country to continue to pray and continue to lift them up because they're

going to need that support and need that time and this isn't something that you get over. none of us can even manning other than parents who have been through this, what it's like. but i can say on behalf of our community, i am proud of one thing. that we have not worried about who got the credit, what police station, what church, you know, everybody is bound to come together and unified for the sake of jessica. >> with me, psychologist karen stark. karen, i was struck by his outright statement that murdering her did not bring him all the joy that he thought it would. so he went further. and i am assuming that means the dismemberment of the body. it could mean more. i think at this hour, we still don't have all of jessica's body parts. i think he was hoarding them. >> there's no doubt, nancy, that

he went further and that he didn't receive enough joy. and i love explaining this. because it is so horrible. the way that he turned out to be. and i also want to mention, ted bundy is exactly the same as he's describe as being. charming, brilliant, he is noted for that, for enticing people. the reason he's saying he did not get any joy is people who are murderers, they need more adrenaline than us. so we could be on a roller coaster and get a rise. they can't. they need more. so what he's saying is, he expected that he would have a tremendous rush. that this would do him a world of good. and that he didn't get it. so he went further to try to get that adrenaline rush that he was looking for. in america today we're running out of a vital resource we need

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it was in daylight hours when they should have been safe on bicycles minding their own business. they were both approached by a male in a vehicle and forced into the vehicle. we now know that that male was pete sapa rr-- pizza parlor own michael devlin. he didn't have many friends other than us that i knew of. because he never -- whenever i saw him on his scooter in the neighborhood, he was always by himself. and he never talked about other friends. >> notice the cross that he was wearing in that video from youtube. an exact cross like that found at the scene of 10-year-old jessica's dismembered body.

to former deputy medical examiner forensic pathologist dr. howard oliver. dr. oliver, since her body was in fact dismembered, will we ever know if he raped or molested this child? >> yes, we should. there should be dna evidence in her body fluids. it should be fairly easy to determine that fact. >> to rita cosby. we're now getting reports saying this crime scene could extend three more houses back. did he hide body parts in other people's crawl spaces and houses? >> authorities are saying specifically three houses behind his that they have blocked it off with yellow tape. also they are saying that they have not found, nancy, the secondary crime scene where he dismembered her. so there's a lot more to come in this case. from currency trading for a few

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we are live in colorado and taking your calls. scott in kansas. hi, scott. what's your question? >> caller: hey, nancy. do they know if this guy was a pedophile or anything about his criminal history at all? >> aaron, he's a juvenile. so we don't know that much yet. but i'm sure authorities know. >> yes.

we do know that he was addicted to pornography. we don't know whether or not that was child pornography or adult pornography. but it does raise the concern that he would sexual assault his victim as well. >> rita cosby, we know that he abruptly left school at age 15. you don't just drop out of school for no reason. wasn't that also when he had to seek treatment for pornography? he was so addicted at just 15 he had to get treatment? >> it's exactly the same time. and you have to wonder what else are we going to find out from his parents, from friends, from family members. there seems to be a lot of sort of warning signs here. the other thing, too, he took off after that jogger. remember the jogger incident? then they went off to the u.s. virgin islands with the family. right after jessica disappeared, he wasn't in class for a few days. there's interesting behavior patterns someone near him had to know this man was very troubled. >> donna in florida.

what's your question? >> caller: it's a pleasure to get to talk to you. i want to give my condolences to jessica's family. but my question is how did the mother find out about the son? what happened there? >> well, to nia joining us from denver. it's my understanding that he told his mom what he had done. right? >> that's correct. and then she picked up the phone and reportedly handed it to him. she called the police and handed him the phone. >> everyone, "what would you do?" that's the question tonight at 9:00 eastern when abc's hidden camera show comes to hln. it isn't long before kim hughes turns the corner. >> oh! oh, my god. >> our